New CVA Muzzleloader Blogs 173


As part of CVA’s goal to provide as much online content to the muzzleloading community as possible, 2 new blogs have launched. You can now get more specific muzzleloading information from CVA professional muzzleloaders at the CVA Muzzleloaders & Single Shot Rifles blog and CVA Muzzleloading  Elk Hunting blog.

Elkhunting blog- Are you an avid elk hunter? Are you also a muzzleloader hunter? Then this blog is perfect for you. Brought to you by the muzzleloading experts at CVA Muzzleloaders, the Elk Hunting Blog will provide you with all the information you need to make your elk hunting trip a great success

Single Shot Rifles  & Muzzleloader blog is powered by the muzzleloading experts at CVA. This is one of many blogs that CVA is powering to bring the muzzleloader community all the information it needs. In that respect, our hope is that you, the users, will let us know exactly what kind of information you are looking for.

Keep an eye out for even more new blogs launching in the near future, and let us know if there is anything you’d like to know more about specifically. Maybe you will get a post on one of the new CVA blogs!


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  • Sean

    Ok yeah ill have to do that..i went scheilds in iowa city they set me up good..so maybe i had it wrong..i am using a sabot..it has a yellow tip with yellow wadding 250 grain.

  • Dudley McGarity

    Here’s a bit more clarification on the “Which CVA’s are Magnums?” question: Any conventional in-lines (meaning plunger style or bolt-action) that say “Magnum” on the barrel are magnum capable. As for Break-Actions, every one of those that has ever been made is “Magnum Capable.” Those that we build today do not have the word “Magnum” on the barrel because it has essentially become a given that ALL CVA muzzleloaders are “Magnum Capable.” Of course, details are provided in the Owner’s Manual that comes with each gun. Hope this helps to clarify. Thanks, Dudley

  • Leonard

    1st time muzzleloader. Ordered a CVA Wolf 209, should arrive shortly. What should be the 1st step that needs to be conduted before shooting it for the VERY 1st time. While at out at the range do I need to swab the barrell after every shot or or can I get away with after every 2-3 shots, can I uise a bore snake to clean the barrell or should I use wire and rod? Do I need to clean the breach as well after swabbing the barrel.

  • fla shooter

    Leonard first off congrats on your new muzzleloader. First thing you will want to do is clean that rifle completely to clean packing preservitives from it. When getting ready to shoot at the range if you applied ant oil to bore of rifle you will want to clean that out and start with a clean dry barrel 91 % Isopropyl Alcohol works great for this step as it dries quickly. Depending on what powder you will be using you will need to swab the barrel after every shot for best accuracy and ease of loading projectiles regular windex window cleaner workes great for this step. You will not need to clean the breech plug after every shot but make sure you lube those threads. Use of a bore snake at the range probably will not work unless you want to pull the breech plug before using. Hope this helps and best of luck with you new rifle. If you are looking for more good info from very knowlagable group of people visit the forum at http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/

  • Dudley McGarity

    Leonard: Fla Shooter just about covered it all for getting started with you new CVA muzzleloader. Cleaning the gun prior to shooting is indeed important, as is removing the breech plug and treating with anti-sieze. Also, once you get the gun clean and dry, fire a couple of 209s through the breech plug. If you hold the muzzle near the ground and see dirt or leaves move from the force of the primer explosion, you will know that the fire channel is clean and that the fire will reach the propellant. Then, place one pellet or about 50 grains of loose powder down the barrel, top with a wadded cleaning patch and fire. If the gun fires you know that everything is working right and you are ready to start shooting. Now, just load up as instructed in the manual. When shooting for the tightest groups, I will generally run one damp patch between each shot. However, if you just want to shoot a lot you probably will not need to clean but every 8 to 10 shots — especially if using a PowerBelt Bullet and IMR White Hots propellant. These, by the way, are the components we recommend, along with a Winchester Triple 7 209 primer. Enjoy the gun. Best regards, Dudley

  • Leonard

    Hello Fla-Dudley
    Finally got some primers, powder this weekend and was only able to find Fedreal primer will this work out ok?
    I hope I am ready to go shooting, just a couple of questions
    1st when swabbing after everyshoot If I use regular windex window cleaner or water will this hurt the barrel?
    2nd when cleaning the muzzlelloader for storage after swabbing/ cleaning with black powder disolvent can I apply hopps oil in the barrel to prevent rusting. If so do I need to clean it the oils before the next use.OR what is you method or recommendation for muzzlelloader cleaning. I am used to cleaning regular rifles using a standard cleaning kit. Can I use some of this items from this kit on my CVA?
    Some friend say when cleaning their muzzleloaders they run soap hot water down the barrel than rinse with hot water. How is this so?

  • Dudley McGarity

    Leonard: Re: Your CVA Muzzleloader. The Federals will work fine, but the lighter Winchester Triple 7s are just what I prefer when shooting for really tight groups. As for the between shot patch, plain water (or even spit, as in “spit-patch”) is fine. All you want to do is maintain the same degree of fouling, rather than remove all the fouling. So, run the patch down the barrel, work it up and down just a few times in the breech area (to remove any residue ring) then pull it out. After your major cleaning using a powder solvent, the last step should be to run an oily patch or “Bore Butter.” “Rust Prevent,” etc. treated patch to fight rust. Also, a tip here, if you use IMR White Hots propellant you will greatly reduce any risk of corrosion even if there is some residue remaining in the barrel. The next time you are ready to shoot, yes, you should run patches though the bore to clean the oil/rust preventative out of the barrel, and even perhaps fire a “fouling shot” to reomove all traces (and prefoul the barrel). As for the soapy water method, that is mainly applicable to sidelock guns where the soapy water needs to be drawn through the barrel by suction, and this does a very good job, especially when using real black powder. However, with modern in-lines, and using clean powders (like IMR White Hots), going to all that trouble is really not necessary. Good luck, Dudley

  • Jeff H.

    What is up with the Accura’s scope mount holes? Compared to my other guns they are much further forward and I know if I buy regular bases that I will have to cock my head forward like a chicken to see through the scope. Are there any rails out there that will fit this gun and bring the scope farther back? Maybe they designed the gun like this on purpose to keep people from busting their heads on scopes but it certainly seems like a flaw on an otherwise outstanding gun.

  • kylecva

    Jeff H. — The best base for this gun is the DuraSight Rail Base, Model DS102B. It will fit all CVA Muzzleloaders — at least all of the Break Aciton Muzzleloaders. Any Weaver compatible ring will fit this base, but the DuraSight rings are as good as you can get for the money — DS300B in Medium, DS302B in High. All of this info is on DuraSight.com.

  • Jeff H.

    Thanks fla shooter. I did end up finding that one and with shipping it is $50. I am used to paying under 15 or 20 for weaver bases on other rifles so that seemed to be a little steep. As for the durasight bases that kylecva recommends I am sure they will fit the gun just fine but they will have the scope about 7 inches in front of your face in a natural position which brings me back to my first comment about having to cock the head forward like a chicken. CVA really needs to consider bringing the mounting holes back a few inches. I have just decided to hunt with open sights for fun and forget about it. I am in the kill zone at 100 yrds every time on paper so I guess it will be sufficient. I just hope I don’t see a monster out a few hundred yards and can’t hit him.

  • kylecva

    Jeff H. — The scope will not be 7 inches in front of your face. It will position perfectly. The rail extends the mounting surface all the way back to right in front of the the breech. Rail style base provide the most adjustment of any other system simply because they allow the most variation in ring placement.

  • Jeff H.

    kylecva – Every picture I have seen of the durasight rail it has six holes in it for mounting and by the picture it is clear that the two in the middle would be useless and I would have to use the four holes on either end. The last slot is right by the hole to screw it on the barrel so how can a ring extend past that point? If you look at the one Fla shooter recommended that is the only style that would allow rings to be extended beyond the mounting holes: http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=127-814
    I also read another forum where a guy was complaining about the distance of the scope from his eyes and he tried the durasight rails and it made no difference. He had to go with the eabco. If I am missing something then please take a picture and send it to me at pastorjdh@hotmaill.com and I will eat my words and gladly purchase the durasight right away.

  • kylecva

    Jeff H — Well, I’m sitting here looking at one and the scope is perfectly positioned. The eye relief is set by moving the scope backward or forward in the rings. The rings mounted on this base allow plenty of adjustment in both directions. I have never heard this complaint before with the DuraSight Rail System. I think that perhaps making these evaluations from photos only may be throwing you off a bit. Trust me, they mount will work great. If not, we’ll refund your money.

  • Jeff H.

    kylecva – thanks for your time and explanation of how eye relief works. I am slightly more experienced than you assume. A picture will not throw me off since I have the rifle sitting here with others that are scoped and have several different styles of rails and rings. If you look on CVA’s website at the Accura page you can see a picture of a man with some kind of scope that has an extension on it and he is still cocking his head forward. Over at the 24hour campfire forum you can read this topic and see a guy with the same problem I am mentioning and he specifically mentions buying two sets of the Durasights and neither or them working to bring the scope back far enough. He finally when the the eabco rail and it worked but he had to paint it silver to match his scope. Here are his words:
    “Very nice,I just got mine and bought a Leupold ultimate slam scope for it but been having a heckuva hard time finding the right mounts for it. I got the durasight Z2’s for it both the 100 and 102’s two piece and one piece. They bolt up and can mount the scope on it but I can’t get the scope back far enough. Can I ask what mount and rings youa re using? Any help, I’d greatly appreciate it very much. I ahve the CVA univerals coming maybe that will work. Leuipold and CVA customer service have not been any help.”

    Here is the link to his discussion so you can see what he ended up having to do: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3863740/1

    His name is Maych

  • Jeff H.

    Here is some more info concerning bases for the Accura that Maych learned the hard way:
    This is really turning into an ordeal although I’m extremely optimistic that I will be satisfied when all said and done. I got the Thumbhole HD version, Beautiful look and feel, but haven’t shot it yet. I bought the Leupold Ultimate slam to accent it. So far I’ve bought the Durasight Z2 DS100S 2 piece (mounted but two short for the scope) then I bought the Z2 DS102S as recommended by CVA. One piece rail but even shorter. I then bought the CVA universal rings and mount (before reading your response). They sent Durasight z2 rings which only have 1 screw for the top mount and as expected the screw snapped with very little pressure, ( I don’t recommend these)and as for the base, it mounted but same problem, so I’m returning those. I spoke with EABCO today and he was unsure if it was the same as the optima but I did enough research to find they are the same. Still no response from CVA on this. So I went ahead and bought the (127-814) Interlock CVA Scope Mount Base Black today. EABCO said they actually manufacture this base but they didn’t have it in silver so he recommended Brownells.com to purchase S/S GRAY AEROSOL BAKING LACQUER, so that will be very intresting when my wife asks what I’m cooking in the oven and I tell her a mount for my gun, but I’ve never done that before so I’m looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Now that I’ve return the rings I’m still in the market for a pair so I may go with the Leupold rings. It will be another couple weeks before I have it all together. Heres the real deal, I measured from the back of the scope to the back of the stock which is 12 inches. All of my other rifles model 700, model 1500, MKII, and my knight wolverine measure roughly 9-10 inches, so this appears to me the CVA Accura stock is longer than most by at least 2 inches.

    -Maych

  • greg g.

    I KNOW YOU COVERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHITE HOTS IN THIS BLOG . BUT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH LOADING MY NEW ACCURA V2.THE CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH THE CRUST RING AND HAVING A HARD TIME SEATING THE 245GR POWERBELT BULLIT ON SECOND SHOT. I USE 2 WHITE HOTS AND CCI PRIMER. DO I CHANGE TO 777 PRIMERS TO GET RID OF RING??? ANY HELP ON THIS WOULD BE A PLUS AS THIS SECOND SHOT WOULD LIKELY BE IN A HUNTING SITUATION AND THE DEER WONT WAIT FOR YOU TO SWAB THE BARREL.

  • Dudley McGarity

    Greg: It is usually not difficult to “push through” the residue ring while you are loading subsequent shots. The important thing is just TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A RING. As long as you are aware that the ring will be there, you know not to stop pushing just because you have reached a point of resistance. A little additional force will push the bullet right through to its proper seated position against the White Hot pellets. A “palm saver” device will allow you to push harder if you are having trouble doing so with the ramrod alone. I would not recommend Triple 7 primers because the are less powerful by design. Since White Hots require a bit for fire for reliable instant ignitions, full power 209s are recommended.

  • D. Brown

    Late entry on the scope mounts, but I have had the same problem as Jeff H. with haveing to cock my head forward for the proper eye relief. Wish I would have seen this blog before I ‘pulled the trigger’ on the shorter one piece base. With a bushnell ML scope, have to cock my head forward so that my eye, head and neck are well outside my ‘natural point of aim’. Trying the eabco mount with a Trophy DOA 250. The eabco base obviously has much more adjustment and the DOA is about a 2.75 longer. Should cure the problem. Also, for Greg H., MidwayUSA has a great range rod that has a weighted, barrell end on it that makes seating the bullet through the residue ring effortless.

  • Jim

    Hey add one more buck to the CVA APEX 50 cal. 173 yards with 100gr 777 with a 245 power point. This gun still amazes me everytime I take it out. It is My number one choice when hunting deer from my Treestand. Bass Pro helped me with scope and mounts Bushnell 3X9 with weaver mounts. Can’t wait to try the 243 barrel after Deer season… Most of the problems with the Reloading would are covered in this blog. just read, Blackpowder is not hard you just have to learn and ask questions but when you get it it is a fine way to hunt. Stay with it

  • Dudley McGarity

    D. Brown: If you have a DuraSight Dead-On mount, you might want to check to see if you need to reverse it — as it is more forward in one direction and more backward in the other direction. We have never had any issues with eye relief with these mounts. Thanks, Dudley

  • Jim Smith

    Shot my 13th deer this year with my CVA Optima. I have never felt as confident pulling a trigger as I do with this rifle. With 250 grain shockwaves and 3 white hots. There is usually no need to track them, because they drop where I shoot them. Thanks CVA.

  • Dudley McGarity

    Jim: Thanks for the testimonial. We love to hear the success stories from our customers regarding their CVA Muzzleloaders. Good shooting! Best regards, Dudley

  • Virginia Deer Hunter

    Hello all. I wanted to share something I’ve learned about my CVA Optima. In the past, I have shot Triple 7 primers. They foul really bad on the breech plug/firing pin area. After 7 or 8 shots, I can hardly break the muzzleloader open. I have never noticed a residue ring inside the barrel with Triple 7 primer (although I do swab between shots). Now, this year I decided to try regular Winchester 209 primers. The result………no residue whatsoever in the breech plug/firing pin area. Even after 20 or so shots, it still looks freshly cleaned. Strangely enough though, I started noticing the fouling ring inside of the barrel in front of the breech plug. No big deal but I thought I would share that. I now use 3 Triple 7 pellets & 245 grain XTP sabots. The gun shoots really good at 100 yards and acceptable at 150 yards. There is only a 1 +/- inch bullet drop from 100 yards to 150 yards. Hope this helps someone out there!

  • D. Brown

    Dudley, thanks for the tip on the Dead-on, will check it out but I don’t think mine is a dead-on. Another question for you however that pertains to my open sights; I am shooting 110 grain equivalent triple 7 pellets (1×50, 2×30) with the 245 gr power belts, and my rear sight has to be slightly beyond the rear edge of the rear sight base in order to get the hits on the target down into the center ring at 50 and 100 yds. Same issue with pyrodex pellets. Is something gooned up with my setup or is there a way to ‘shim’ or raise the front sight a bit? If the rear sight is not hanging 1/8th of an inch or so off the back of the base, all my shots are high with the open sights. Any thoughts?
    I am aligning the front sight tru-glo dot level to the horizon with the two rear sight tru-glo dots.

  • D. Brown

    Also, even with the sub-optimal scope setup (attributed to me) I mentioned in one of the previous posts, I did take a nice 8 pt’er on 20 Nov here in Northern Va. Have since changed out to the eabco mount with the Trophy XLT with the DOA 250 reticle and am much more comfortable and happier with it. Accura is an awesome rile. This guy was about 50 yards and the 245 power belt square in the shoulder dropped him in his tracks! Thanks again CVA for a superb product!

  • Dudley McGarity

    D: Thanks for the report and congratulations on taking your buck with the CVA Accura and PowerBelt Bullet. We are very please that our products have served you well. Best regards, Dudley

  • Dudley McGarity

    D: As for the open sights, all I can figure is that the combination of the heavier charge and the lighter bullet are pushing your point of impact high in relation to the open sights. Shimming the front sight, or buying one that is a bit higher, would likely solve your probem. Dudley

  • Dustan Oates

    i bought last yrs model of the wolf, before the breech plug could be removed by hand. Is my gun rated to use 150 gr of powder?

  • Dudley McGarity

    Dustan: Yes, the CVA Wolf model (even prior to the new QR Breech Plug) is rated for up to 150 grain (3 pellet) loads. Best regards, Dudley

  • Jim Smith

    My friend, who is fairly new to muzzleloading and had bought an Optima at my recommendation, was having a frustrating time sighting in his new Optima with Sabotted Ballistic Tip Spire Point bullets (T/C Shockwaves) that kept keyholing the target and not grouping. The answer was obvious to me, but since he is new to this, the recommendations were news to him and I just wanted to share with everybody what I advised him to do to fix that in case that happens to you.

    With the Shockwave, or any other ballistic tip spire point bullet, you can cause this by not using a spire point ramrod tip and bending the ballistic tip, or by not completely seating the sabot against the powder pellets. The ramrod tips for these bullets are sold by CVA and T/C and just screw into the tip of the ramrod. I have a line drawn on my ramrod, so I know when it is all the way down. If there is a crust ring from the first or second shot, the third shot may feel like it is seated, by it is actually just sitting on the crust ring giving it a gap that can cause the sabot to incompletely seat against the lans and groves and tumble. The next time you load the barrel with a clean buttered bore, mark the ramrod with a sharpie or scribe or whatever works for you, so you will know when it is really seated.

  • Dudley McGarity

    Jim: Very good points. Thanks for the providing this info to the CVA blog site. Best regards, Dudley

  • rick ellis

    when you seat your sabot with ram rod use palm saver, when you know the sabot is seated properly leave ram rod in barrel and mark ramrod with piece of colored tape at end of barrel.The tape will let you know when sabot is seated the same every time.I shoot a cva wolf with 90 grns 777 loose and a 250 shock wave sabot,I shoot 1″1/2 groups at 75 yards.people talk about how cheap the ram rods are,dont extend the ram when seating sabot only extend it when cleaning barrel, shot over 50 round and never had problem with ram rod bending.

  • Jim Smith

    Just FYI-I have used CCI shotgun primers since I ran out of winchester primers last summer and they were the only 209 primers the gun shop had at the time. So far they seem to work well with the White hots in my Optima.

  • Dudley McGarity

    Jim: Very good. We have found that just about any FULL POWER primer will work well with White Hots. It is the light primers — like Triple 7 — that can cause issues. Thanks for your info on CCI. Best regards, Dudley

  • pjdh

    I have also found the ram rod to be sufficient after over 50 rounds and I agree that it would not be wise to extend it except for cleaning. I bought a T-handle palm saver and it is a little more work to have to put it on but it is well worth it. I am shooting 100 grains of 777 loose powder with 250 gr SST Hornady and most of my shots are touching one another at 100 yards and my Accura will easily shoot under 1/2 inch groups when perfectly still. It will easily match up to my 30/06 all day. The Hornady SST’s are easy to load and extremely accurate. Surprisingly I have not found a difference in three boxes of ammo bought from different places. I have shot one deer with them from about 25 yards away (to finish the deer off after shooting it with my 30/06) and I literally blew half the deers head off. It was not a pretty sight to say the least but proved to be very efficient. The trigger on the Accura is so sweet that I am leaning toward hunting with it the entire season now that I have it sighted in well.

  • Dudley McGarity

    pjdh: Those are awesome results from our CVA Accura. We are getting reports of this kind of accuracy all the time now. The word is out and more and more people are buying this gun. I has rightfully developed the reputation as the most accurate muzzleloader on the market — and the reason is its Bergara Barrel. Bergara muzzleloading barrels are also made for the T/C Encore, and a lot of shooters are buying them so that they can get “Accura-like” accuracy out of a T/C that they already own. These Bergara T/C barrels also have the Quick Release Breech Plug — same as on the Accura V2. Keep up the great shooting. Best regards, Dudley

  • Leon

    Just got a Accura today and with the info in this blog I went and ordered the CVA Keylock Scope Mount Base along with the Warne Scope Mount Rings. Just making sure this is correct first and besides the scope do I need anything else to get going?

  • Dudley McGarity

    Leon: If it is an Accura V2, you will probalby find that the DuraSight Dead On mount will work better. DS411B in medium. DS412B in high. The Dead On is a one-piece integral base/lower ring system design specifically for our new new scope hole spacing on all break action CVA guns built 2010 and after. If you try to use two-piece mounts on these guns your rings will be too close together. The earlier non-V2 Accura will work fine with the two-piece mounts. Thanks, Dudley

  • Leon

    Thanks Dudley. I’ll try to cancel the order and replace it with the durasite. Cheers.
    -Leon

  • Leon

    **UPDATE**
    I called EABCO to cancel my order and they informed me that they have just completed some re-work on the bases for the Accura V2 so they will now fit the 6 hole pattern. The bases have to go out for finishing and will be ready for shipping in about 2 weeks. I just left the order in place and will give an update on how the full scope mount goes in a few weeks. Thanks.
    -Leon

  • Dudley McGarity

    Leon: The photo is of the high version (DS410B). If your scope is 42mm to 50mm it will work fine. If scope is 40mm or below, you should go with the medium version (DS411B). Thanks, Dudley

  • Fred

    Dudley, I purchased an Accura yesterday. I purchased Winchester 777 primers and Blackhorn 209 powder. I shot a primer by itself to verify that the breech plug was clean. I loaded 100 gr of the BH 209 and loaded a 295 gr Powerbelt into it. I used a 777 primer. The first primer did not set of the charge. I threw in another primer and squeezed the trigger, the load went of after a sub second pause. My 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th shot were normal. On the sixth shot i had to use two primer and on the 2nd 777 primer, it again set off the charge after a short pause. I really like the Accura’s trigger but i’m very frustrated with the hangups, specially since it happened right out of the box. I need some suggestions please.

  • Dudley McGarity

    Fred: Well, first of all you need to go to a “full power” primer. The Triple 7 primer is a low power primer and was designed for use with Triple 7 or Pyrodex Pellets, both of which will ingnite with less fire than will Blackhorn. Even with the stronger primer (I’d recommend Wincherster W-209) you will still need to keep the fire channel very clean to insure delay free ignition of Blackhorn, but it will be much better than with the Triple 7. The standard breech plug in your gun was designed for use with pellets, which is why the face is flat. We are in the process of building a new plug that is designed specifically with loose powders — like Blackhorn. With this new plug, you will not have to be as careful about keeping the flash hole clean, as it will be slightly larger and closer too the charge. These “Blackhorn Breech Plugs” should be available in June. Thanks, Dudley